and you earlier had joe trippi on, talking about how they're using obama for america, their political organization to try to beat up people on the hill to force the president on measures like gun control. if you're a red state democrat like mary landrieu or begich of alaska, do you want the president beatings up on you about gun control? this may work for the president but i think it is going, it also runs the risk of not working by having democrats say, why are you putting me in a difficult place, mr. president? you're name is on not on the ballot in 2014 or 2016. mine is. it may dim finish to get this thing done it looks political, not issue oriented. not local people doing it. it is a political group doing it. bill: a big challenge here, karl, in 15 seconds turnout will be one-third what it was four years ago. how do you continue the momentum when you know the challenges historically are so difficult in the second term? >> well, that's the big challenge. and remember the president's job approval friday in the gallup was 48. his job approval all last year was 49. he is not starting